I completely agree with you. Everyone has there own opinion on things. Im completely against rape and if and any i know harmed an inaccent person for there own pleasure im quick to anger. But nothing gets me started like rape porn. Its just a story for a spacific reader who is interested in the topic. Like most movies or stories if you don't like it change the channel get a different book. If a child is doing something there not its the parents fault for not monitoring.

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Deedee 6 years ago

I've talked to people who read nonconsensual stories, gore nsfw stories and they're all actually just ordinary like everyone. Ironically theyre actually some of the sweetest and kindest people on the internet haha( (ive also read a few tbh). Ive also seen a few lolicons on twitter and though I'm really against pedophilia (and honestly really open with my hatred for pedos) I'm not mad at them at all because I know there's no real children being harmed in these drawings. A lot of these people are actually just people, that dont actually like children irl. I totally agree with you! :) It's not everyone's cuppa but it is for some people

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OP 6 years ago

I guess people find it hard to relate to. I think a lot of people gratify themselves reading murder stories because they wish they could outrage the same (as long as the victim is established to be an asshole.) But when you write sex it's often annoying or gross to read when it's not a kind the reader can relate to. Personally I think ero fic is interesting as horror because it can be so gross. Most readers seem to want to feel good about what they read, though.

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anonymous 6 years ago

"(as long as the victim is established to be an asshole.)"

What if the victim is established to be an asshole by an asshole and the victim (the person established to be an asshole) is not an asshole at all, but merely the victim of an asshole? What if it's all just a grand deception?

This is what I intend to prove.

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anonymous 6 years ago

"Most readers seem to want to feel good about what they read, though."

I would tend to think that ALL, and not most, readers want to feel good about what they read. If you're not getting any satisfaction or enjoyment from what you're reading, why even read it? Reading is NOT fun if you're reading something you would really rather not be reading.

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anonymous 6 years ago

^ Disagree. Long time proliferation of gothic fiction and not even that recent ultra violence and gore in mainstream fiction (like Brett Ellis {American Psycho} or Clive Barker {Hell Raiser}) seem to indicate that readers can seek out discomfort same way movie-goers do with blood and guts. If people only want to come away feeling good, why does Friday The 13th have an audience or Clive Barker a readership? Why does Yahweh delight in bloodbath of gentiles if it isn't funny or fun for him?

^^ Fiction is unfair to the victims of that narrative. You should break out of people's fantasy stories about you if you really exist. That's why making idols out of living things or giving false testimony is such a bad thing, but it's ok if we make the people up first. Surprisingly, 30% of Americans under 30 today believe that they're the only living brain in a simulation. Those of us who do exist should vigilantly assert our existence if we hope to change their minds.

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anonymous 6 years ago

"Disagree. Long time proliferation of gothic fiction and not even that recent ultra violence and gore in mainstream fiction (like Brett Ellis {American Psycho} or Clive Barker {Hell Raiser}) seem to indicate that readers can seek out discomfort same way movie-goers do with blood and guts. If people only want to come away feeling good, why does Friday The 13th have an audience or Clive Barker a readership? Why does Yahweh delight in bloodbath of gentiles if it isn't funny or fun for him?"

When people read or watch gore they go into it knowing what to expect and they go into it anyway. Are they shocked by some of what they read or see? Probably some are but does that mean that they're not enjoying it? Does that mean that they don't get any enjoyment out of it? Not at all because they go back for more.

There are two ways to look at it:

1) The people that enjoy that stuff and are not shocked and repulsed by it; and,
2) The people that are shocked and repulsed by it and enjoy being shocked and repulsed!

Those two classes of people comprise the whole of such entertainment. If you didn't enjoy such stuff you would not read or watch it... Or, at least, you wouldn't read or watch it again and again.

You don't have to watch a human body being mangled and feel a sense of euphoria in order to enjoy it... Being thoroughly disgusted and repulsed can be just as enjoyable. At least that's my opinion and I'm by no means an expert...

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anonymous 6 years ago

There’s been this really popular theory that people are shaped by the media they consume because they can’t help but immediately adopt the perspectives they see. I disagree on a NUMBER of levels. In movies as shows with anti-heroes for example, you can empathize and enjoy a character’s actions even if you wouldn’t do them yourself. I would think Dr. House is an asshole in real life, but I enjoy laughing at what he says and does when he’s a fictional character on-screen. I would never condone a doctor behaving in that way, even if they had a sad background and a brilliant mind like Dr. House.

A more recent example would be Joker from 2019. No one came out of that movie thinking that Arthur was justified in committing murder and causing so much destruction but we managed to enjoy watching a story of a man who snapped. As someone else mentioned, no one decided to go on a killing spree because “we live in a society.”

What I’m trying to say is, fiction is fake. People are not so stupid that they just immediately adopt any perspective put in front of them. You could argue that children do and maybe teenagers but they still have developing minds. Honestly, the entire argument that people have no control over themselves and no grounding in their thoughts to the point that they are convinced by just a few pieces of media is just an argument for unnecessary censorship I think. Some people just don’t like the idea of hearing around murder and rape and pedophilia and whatever else. If they don’t like that, there are tons of websites that will tell you if a movie or book or show contains things you may not want to see, your sensitivities don’t mean you get to dictate what everyone else is allowed to see. To me, a childhood victim of sexual assault, it’s kind of offensive that it’s implied we just can’t handle the topic being brought up or portrayed in media. I don’t care for gore, so I avoid those things. I would never demand other people adjust their tastes to be more palatable to my own. I think it’s important to talk about difficult things and also acknowledge the harmlessness of fiction and everyone else’s freedoms to create and consume that fiction.

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anonononymous 6 years ago